After the devastating massacre at Bondi Beach on Sunday, Australia’s PM and leaders promised to tighten gun laws to help make sure it never happens again.
They chose to give up guns and they in return have one of the lowest gun related deaths in the world. That seems like a good trade. Ps. This is coming from a dude who loves guns.
They gave up their guns years ago, they gained a little safety but still aren't safe. They are however less free. Then I provided an example of their lack of freedom.
When asked for clarification on his remark, Johnson’s office told a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter he was referring to a COVID-19 quarantine site in Australia that requires residents returning from international travel to stay 14 days and be tested for the virus to ensure they aren’t bringing it back into the country with them.
Australia has utilized such supervised mandatory quarantines to keep coronavirus cases low. According to the New York Times, Australia has seen an average of about six cases per 100,000 residents in the past week, compared with the United States’ 36 cases per 100,000 residents.
People at the quarantine site are required to test for the virus three times during their stay. They are given three meals a day, as well as drinking water, tea and coffee, free television and air conditioning, according to the Northern Territory’s information page. After 14 days on site, they are allowed to return home.
That would set the facility a far cry apart from what most people recognize as internment camps.
One general definition of an internment camp, as reported by Dictionary.com, is a guarded compound for the mass detainment of civilian citizens, especially those with ties to an enemy during wartime, without hearings or trials.
Americans may be most familiar with the case of the World War II-era detainment of Japanese Americans. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. government grew suspicious of people of Japanese descent and began rounding them up for the camps, some on as little as two days’ notice.
Most who were sent to the camps lived there for close to three years. The camps were enclosed by barbed-wire fences and patrolled by armed guards who were under instruction to shoot anyone who attempted to leave, Britannica reports.
Motor vehicle accidents kill roughly 40,000 Americans per year, yet no serious policy discussion frames cars themselves as the core problem or calls for their removal. Instead, we focus on driver behavior, safety standards, infrastructure, and enforcement.
The same proportional lens matters in the gun debate. The majority of firearm deaths, approximately 27,000 annually, are suicides, not criminal violence. That points primarily to a mental-health and crisis-intervention problem, not a tools problem.
Eliminating or heavily restricting a tool does not address the underlying intent. Individuals intent on self-harm will often substitute methods. Children account for ~2,500 of the gun related deaths, where about half that number are children who die in car accidents annually. So, if we focus on behavior, safety standard and enforcement for both, we should find ourselves in a better spot.
What are you talking about? New laws and guidelines for cars go into effect every year. Not to mention, I would 100% support focusing on gun owners’ behavior, safety standards, infrastructure, and enforcement.
As for suicide — I take it you’re in support of Medicare for All so everyone can access mental healthcare for free?
Additionally, it’s absolutely a “tool” issue. Suicide attempts with a gun are nearly 100% fatal. You can’t say the same for any other method.
My point is you rage against the machine on topics you know are complex, only providing simple solutions that are non-starters. 40k people die of car accidents, same for guns, 4/5x more of that with drug overdoses annually. What are you proposing other than playing the old man yelling at the wind again?
Good luck with that. Unfortunately, laws do not prevent Intel from developing, possessing and trafficking weapons, and law does not prevent nor hold them accountable for killing.
I’m not advocating for a gun ban. I love guns. But there are a number of laws we can pass that wouldn’t infringe on anyone’s rights while still making things safer for all of us. We have to try and do something — we’re experiencing mass shootings nearly every day of the year.
The proposed changes to Aussie gun laws would not likely have restricted these 2 pieces of trash from accessing guns, 1 the son is a citizen and the father though an immigrant married an Australian citizen
When seconds matter police are minutes away. Feel free to disarm yourself.
I’m not advocating for a gun ban. I love guns. But there are a number of laws we can pass that wouldn’t infringe on anyone’s rights while still making things safer for all of us. We have to try and do something — we’re experiencing mass shootings nearly every day of the year.
How does it go? Those who give up liberty for saftey deserve neither. Remember Australia had actual internment camps during COVID.
They chose to give up guns and they in return have one of the lowest gun related deaths in the world. That seems like a good trade. Ps. This is coming from a dude who loves guns.
Right and what is the relevance of your comment to the post?
They gave up their guns years ago, they gained a little safety but still aren't safe. They are however less free. Then I provided an example of their lack of freedom.
Australia is "less free" than whom? How so? Where do you consider the people to be "free" and free to do what?
Being imprisoned when you have committed no crime makes you less free than someone who isn't. Australia put their own citizens in camps during COVID.
Imprisoned where and by whom? Oh you mean like in the USA with the ICE agents imprisoning people with zero due process? Covid camps? send a link.
The camps were not as bad as I remembered. However I still think they were bad. The trend in Australia is definitely moving towards less free.
https://youtu.be/vnoDUbge1d4?si=pCT1Ns0KkWbWtF2y
Fact check: Are some countries putting unvaccinated people in 'internment camps?'
In a Dec. 8 radio interview, U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisc., said some unvaccinated people in other countries are being put "basically into internment camps." https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-are-some-countries-putting-unvaccinated-people-in-internment-camps/20047319/
When asked for clarification on his remark, Johnson’s office told a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter he was referring to a COVID-19 quarantine site in Australia that requires residents returning from international travel to stay 14 days and be tested for the virus to ensure they aren’t bringing it back into the country with them.
Australia has utilized such supervised mandatory quarantines to keep coronavirus cases low. According to the New York Times, Australia has seen an average of about six cases per 100,000 residents in the past week, compared with the United States’ 36 cases per 100,000 residents.
People at the quarantine site are required to test for the virus three times during their stay. They are given three meals a day, as well as drinking water, tea and coffee, free television and air conditioning, according to the Northern Territory’s information page. After 14 days on site, they are allowed to return home.
That would set the facility a far cry apart from what most people recognize as internment camps.
One general definition of an internment camp, as reported by Dictionary.com, is a guarded compound for the mass detainment of civilian citizens, especially those with ties to an enemy during wartime, without hearings or trials.
Americans may be most familiar with the case of the World War II-era detainment of Japanese Americans. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. government grew suspicious of people of Japanese descent and began rounding them up for the camps, some on as little as two days’ notice.
Most who were sent to the camps lived there for close to three years. The camps were enclosed by barbed-wire fences and patrolled by armed guards who were under instruction to shoot anyone who attempted to leave, Britannica reports.
Motor vehicle accidents kill roughly 40,000 Americans per year, yet no serious policy discussion frames cars themselves as the core problem or calls for their removal. Instead, we focus on driver behavior, safety standards, infrastructure, and enforcement.
The same proportional lens matters in the gun debate. The majority of firearm deaths, approximately 27,000 annually, are suicides, not criminal violence. That points primarily to a mental-health and crisis-intervention problem, not a tools problem.
Eliminating or heavily restricting a tool does not address the underlying intent. Individuals intent on self-harm will often substitute methods. Children account for ~2,500 of the gun related deaths, where about half that number are children who die in car accidents annually. So, if we focus on behavior, safety standard and enforcement for both, we should find ourselves in a better spot.
What are you talking about? New laws and guidelines for cars go into effect every year. Not to mention, I would 100% support focusing on gun owners’ behavior, safety standards, infrastructure, and enforcement.
As for suicide — I take it you’re in support of Medicare for All so everyone can access mental healthcare for free?
Additionally, it’s absolutely a “tool” issue. Suicide attempts with a gun are nearly 100% fatal. You can’t say the same for any other method.
My point is you rage against the machine on topics you know are complex, only providing simple solutions that are non-starters. 40k people die of car accidents, same for guns, 4/5x more of that with drug overdoses annually. What are you proposing other than playing the old man yelling at the wind again?
Good luck with that. Unfortunately, laws do not prevent Intel from developing, possessing and trafficking weapons, and law does not prevent nor hold them accountable for killing.
I’m not advocating for a gun ban. I love guns. But there are a number of laws we can pass that wouldn’t infringe on anyone’s rights while still making things safer for all of us. We have to try and do something — we’re experiencing mass shootings nearly every day of the year.
Criminals don't follow the law
The proposed changes to Aussie gun laws would not likely have restricted these 2 pieces of trash from accessing guns, 1 the son is a citizen and the father though an immigrant married an Australian citizen
When seconds matter police are minutes away. Feel free to disarm yourself.
I’m not advocating for a gun ban. I love guns. But there are a number of laws we can pass that wouldn’t infringe on anyone’s rights while still making things safer for all of us. We have to try and do something — we’re experiencing mass shootings nearly every day of the year.